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158) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 5:20:31 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> Now for the flip-side of that coin. Fact: My younger sister is not a chocoholic and has many health problems at age 43 Fact: My older sister is not a chocoholic and has many health problems at age 49 Fact: My father was not a chocoholic and died in 1988 at age 63 | ||||||||||||||||||
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159) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 5:53:34 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> welp...I guess that proves it......some chocoholics THRIVE.....<g g g> | ||||||||||||||||||
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160) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 5:54:15 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> at 65....I wouldn't say I'm thriving....just doing acceptably well ...<g g g> | ||||||||||||||||||
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161) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 6:14:46 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> hey, Glenn....question.... ... BACKGROUND:....before....I used to go to eBay and login-SSL with IE303d ..then....grab the IE cookiefile and write it over my Arachne cookie file (it usta fit...<g g g>...) ... Then, with the eBay-logged-in cookie, Arachne could/would surf eBay just fine, until I logged out, or the cookie expired... .. Now...I can't find the Lynx cookie file, to try that, and the NN408b cookiefile is a special netscape-formatted thing, so it won't work in Arachne... ... Any suggestions....???? ... | ||||||||||||||||||
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162) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 6:22:48 pm URL | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> Ray...you don't agree with the geopolitical goals of things, or with the strategies and tactics....but....I think you wouldn't wanna make yourself look like a fool by further disparaging these fine troops as "getting their butts kicked"...... http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-11-08T012057Z_01_N07463353_RTRUKOC_0_US-AFGHAN-CANADA.xml&src=rss&rpc=22 | ||||||||||||||||||
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163) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 6:26:13 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> Ever since Ebay switch to requiring HTTPS to login.... my only options have been Lynx 2.8.5.1 (DOS) for text only.... or Linux FireFox when I also want images. | ||||||||||||||||||
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164) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 7:23:39 pm URL | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MGIzZjQ2NzJlM2Q0Yjg2NzFkMjZhMjA4OGJhOWIwYjE= | ||||||||||||||||||
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165) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 7:30:13 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> Glenn...yes....my response, also....but....but....my point was: It's only "HTTPSlogin"...then off you go merrily surfing your eBay pages and bidding, watching, etc....while completely on HTTP-only connection. ... So, it hasta be in the cookies, which I proved to myself long time ago by importing that IE303d cookiefile into Arachne.....but....Arachne will no longer accept the IE303d cookie file, and NN408b cookiefile is a propietary-formatted file, with Arachne barfs on, too... ... So, since Lynx is probably the "closest" to Arachne-configuration (i.e. it's also a DOSbrowser)...perhaps its cookiefile can be imported into Arachne, so I can go merrily surfing away on eBay until it requires an HTTPS connection, whereupon our "F2-kludge" should work to re-callup Lynx to do the job, whereupon re-import the LynxCookieFile to Arachne and...back to merry surfing on eBay... ... Have I confused things...??? Or have I sorta clearly explained what I'm trying to get at...??? | ||||||||||||||||||
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166) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 7:46:52 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> Unfortunately... none of the others has a cookie format that is compatible with the new format Joe came up with for Arachne :( | ||||||||||||||||||
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167) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 7:52:16 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> Here's the foramt used in Arachne v1.70 dp1=bspref/04914fde2^etfc/4110906145c93de2^u1p/QEBfX0BAX19AQA**4733ca62^; Domain=.ebay.com; Expires=Sat, 08-Nov-2008 02:48:02 GMT; Path=/ nonsession=BAQAAAQ7E3Sq+AAaAAMsAAUVSneozAPIAAUVS0fAxAMoAIE64mGJjYTljZDg0MzEwZTBhMDg3NDdmNjdiMjZmZmZjYTQzNfPWs0rvc8ElWOlRex333Kf1zJgx; Domain=.ebay.com; Expires=Fri, 09-Nov-2007 02:48:02 GMT; Path=/ ebay=%5Ecompare-items%3D%7Edomain%3D.ebay.com%7E%5Erda%3D1163040446609.%5Esgj%3Dca9cd84310e0a08747f67b26fffca435%5Elvmn%3D0%7C0%7C%5Esbf%3D8192%5Epim%3D-1%5Ecv%3D15555%5E; Domain=.ebay.com; Path=/ s=CgAD4ACBFU+hiY2E5ZDVlYTQxMGUwYTA0MTc5ODU1ZTI1ZmZmZDY0OGVjc3hH; Domain=.ebay.com; Path=/ ds2=alss/58058.%2522dvd%2Brw%25224553e862^; Domain=.ebay.com; Path=/ ns1=BAQAAAQ7E3Sq+AAaAANgARUczymJjNjV8NDc1XjExNjMwNDA0ODIwNzheMF5eMF4yMDEyMDBhODMwZV4zXjBeNTBeMl40XjReM14yXjFeMV4xXjFeMF4wXjAp0Cdk9lygQqtAK5/4rY572bsxRA**; Domain=.ebay.com; Expires=Fri, 09-Nov-2007 02:48:02 GMT; Path=/ And here's the new format that Joe changed it to......... dp1=bspref/04914fe2d^etfc/4110906145c93e2d^u1p/QEBfX0BAX19AQA**4733caad^; Domain=.ebay.com; Expires=Sat, 08-Nov-2008 02:49:17 GMT; Path=/ \ \ \ \ \ nonsession=BAQAAAQ7E3Sq+AAaAAMsAAUVSnjUzAPIAAUVS0fExAMoAIE64mK1jYTllNGFkZTEwZTBhMDg3NDdmNjdiMjZmZmZjOWU4MCsPf20eqFl1BqKox1cx6w3TI6yE; Domain=.ebay.com; Expires=Fri, 09-Nov-2007 02:49:17 GMT; Path=/ \ \ \ \ \ ebay=%5Ecompare-items%3D%7Edomain%3D.ebay.com%7E%5Erda%3D1163040541500.%5Esgj%3Dca9e4ade10e0a08747f67b26fffc9e80%5Elvmn%3D0%7C0%7C%5Esbf%3D8192%5Epim%3D-1%5Ecv%3D15555%5E; Domain=.ebay.com; Path=/ \ \ \ \ \ s=CgAD4ACBFU+itY2E5ZTg2MWIxMGUwYTA0MzUxYjU4ZTg1ZmZmZGEyMziiVbS9; Domain=.ebay.com; Path=/ \ \ \ \ \ ds2=alss/58058.%2522dvd%2Brw%25224553e8ad^; Domain=.ebay.com; Path=/ \ \ \ \ \ ns1=BAQAAAQ7E3Sq+AAaAANgARUczyq1jNjV8NDc1XjExNjMwNDA1NTY4NjJeMF5eMF4yMDEyMDBhODMwZV4zXjBeNTBeMl41XjVeNF4zXjJeMV4wXjFeMF4wXjDRIMGN7lKBAQrUm8TTxtIzBqRk5A**; Domain=.ebay.com; Expires=Fri, 09-Nov-2007 02:49:17 GMT; Path=/ \ \ \ \ \ | ||||||||||||||||||
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168) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 8:04:11 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> yes...I had noticed that....<g g g> ... Perhaps I should ask Joe on the development group... | ||||||||||||||||||
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169) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 8:10:56 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> Good idea. Since he is the only one who fully understands his new system.... I'm afraid he's the only one who might be able to modify it to be compatible with one of the HTTPS capable browsers. | ||||||||||||||||||
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170) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 8:14:53 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| ray> Ewwww, I had no idea that there was any such thing as compatibility with cookie files. Joe made his changes to accomodate the long lines in these cookies but apart from that I don't know why he'd need to change anything else. Hafta ask him of course. | ||||||||||||||||||
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171) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 8:36:27 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> Ray...I remember about when Joe was doing that work on troubleshooting and modifying the cookie-format to accommodate the Yahoo longCookies.. ...and I know he fiddled with it...I mean he investigated and then had to try several different ArachneCookieFile formats before he got the current format to work with the Yahoo longCookies... ... Before that....the IE303d/Win3.1 cookiefile was importable to Arachne.. ...I know this...because I used to import it... ... | ||||||||||||||||||
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172) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 8:38:45 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> I think IE303d/win31 was from the era of generally compatible formats, because it was before everyone propietized things in a effort to freeze others (whatever others) out... ... So, lotsa IE3/win31 stuff is sorta compatible with other stuff... .. | ||||||||||||||||||
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173) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 8:40:41 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> But....Glenn....really, what I need to know, is: Where is Lynx's cookie file.....???? ... I can't find it after I close Lynx....so apparently it is either 1) called something else, or 2) deleted by Lynx as part of its shutdown cleanup... | ||||||||||||||||||
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174) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 8:46:29 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> From what I've been able to determine.... Lynx 2.8.5.1 does not save the cookies into a file on disk. But rather simply holds them in memory for use during this session only. | ||||||||||||||||||
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175) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 8:52:50 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> Ah ha .... found the place to set it in lynx.cfg .h2 PERSISTENT_COOKIES # PERSISTENT_COOKIES indicates that cookies should be read at startup from # the COOKIE_FILE, and saved at exit for storage between Lynx sessions. # It is not used if Lynx was compiled without EXP_PERSISTENT_COOKIES. # The default is FALSE, so that the feature needs to be enabled here # explicitly if you want it. # #PERSISTENT_COOKIES:FALSE .h2 COOKIE_FILE # COOKIE_FILE is the default file from which persistent cookies are read # at startup (if the file exists), if Lynx was compiled with # EXP_PERSISTENT_COOKIES and the PERSISTENT_COOKIES option is enabled. # The cookie file can also be specified in .lynxrc or on the command line. # #COOKIE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies COOKIE_FILE:~/_cookies.lyn | ||||||||||||||||||
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176) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 8:57:30 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> Just now made these changes to my lynx.cfg .h1 Cookies .h2 SET_COOKIES # If SET_COOKIES is set FALSE, Lynx will ignore Set-Cookie headers # in http server replies. Note that if a COOKIE_FILE is in use (see # below) that contains cookies at startup, Lynx will still send those # persistent cookies in requests as appropriate. Setting SET_COOKIES # to FALSE just prevents accepting any new cookies from servers. To # prevent all cookie processing (sending *and* receiving) in a session, # make sure that PERSISTENT_COOKIES is not TRUE or that COOKIE_FILE does # not point to a file with cookies, in addition to setting SET_COOKIES # to FALSE. # The default is defined in userdefs.h, and can be overridden here, # and/or toggled via the -cookies command line switch. # SET_COOKIES:TRUE .h2 ACCEPT_ALL_COOKIES # If ACCEPT_ALL_COOKIES is set TRUE, Lynx will accept cookies from all # domains with no user interaction. This is equivalent to automatically # replying to all cookie 'Allow?' prompts with 'A'lways. Note that it # does not preempt validity checking, which has to be controlled separately # (see below). # The default is defined in userdefs.h and can be overridden here, or # in the .lynxrc file via an o(ptions) screen setting. It may also be # toggled via the -accept_all_cookies command line switch. # ACCEPT_ALL_COOKIES:TRUE .h2 COOKIE_ACCEPT_DOMAINS .h2 COOKIE_REJECT_DOMAINS # COOKIE_ACCEPT_DOMAINS and COOKIE_REJECT_DOMAINS are comma-delimited lists # of domains from which Lynx should automatically accept or reject cookies # without asking for confirmation. If the same domain is specified in both # lists, rejection will take precedence. # Note that in order to match cookies, domains have to be spelled out exactly # in the form in which they would appear on the Cookie Jar page (case is # insignificant). They are not wildcards. Domains that apply to more than # one host have a leading '.', but have to match *the cookie's* domain # exactly. # #COOKIE_ACCEPT_DOMAINS: #COOKIE_REJECT_DOMAINS: .h2 COOKIE_LOOSE_INVALID_DOMAINS .h2 COOKIE_STRICT_INVALID_DOMAINS .h2 COOKIE_QUERY_INVALID_DOMAINS # COOKIE_LOOSE_INVALID_DOMAINS, COOKIE_STRICT_INVALID_DOMAINS, and # COOKIE_QUERY_INVALID_DOMAINS are comma-delimited lists of domains. # They control the degree of validity checking that is applied to cookies # for the specified domains. # Note that in order to match cookies, domains have to be spelled out exactly # in the form in which they would appear on the Cookie Jar page (case is # insignificant). They are not wildcards. Domains that apply to more than # one host have a leading '.', but have to match *the cookie's* domain # exactly. # If a domain is set to strict checking, strict conformance to RFC2109 will # be applied. A domain with loose checking will be allowed to set cookies # with an invalid path or domain attribute. All domains will default to # asking the user for confirmation in case of an invalid path or domain. # Cookie validity checking takes place as a separate step before the # final decision to accept or reject (see previous options), therefore # a cookie that passes validity checking may still be automatically # rejected or cause another prompt. # #COOKIE_LOOSE_INVALID_DOMAINS: #COOKIE_STRICT_INVALID_DOMAINS: #COOKIE_QUERY_INVALID_DOMAINS: .h2 PERSISTENT_COOKIES # PERSISTENT_COOKIES indicates that cookies should be read at startup from # the COOKIE_FILE, and saved at exit for storage between Lynx sessions. # It is not used if Lynx was compiled without EXP_PERSISTENT_COOKIES. # The default is FALSE, so that the feature needs to be enabled here # explicitly if you want it. # PERSISTENT_COOKIES:TRUE .h2 COOKIE_FILE # COOKIE_FILE is the default file from which persistent cookies are read # at startup (if the file exists), if Lynx was compiled with # EXP_PERSISTENT_COOKIES and the PERSISTENT_COOKIES option is enabled. # The cookie file can also be specified in .lynxrc or on the command line. # #COOKIE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies COOKIE_FILE:c:/temp/!cookies.txt .h2 COOKIE_SAVE_FILE # COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is the default file in which persistent cookies are # stored at exit, if Lynx was compiled with EXP_PERSISTENT_COOKIES and the # PERSISTENT_COOKIES option is enabled. The cookie save file can also be # specified on the command line. # # With an interactive Lynx session, COOKIE_SAVE_FILE will default to # COOKIE_FILE if it is not set. With a non-interactive Lynx session (e.g., # -dump), cookies will only be saved to file if COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is set. # #COOKIE_SAVE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies COOKIE_SAVE_FILE:c:/!cookies.txt | ||||||||||||||||||
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177) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 9:04:27 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> Here's the lynx cookie file............ .ebay.com TRUE / FALSE 1226116864 dp1 bspref/049150f00^etfc/4110906345c94f00^pbf/44733db80^u1p/QEBfX0BAX19AQA**4733db80^ .ebay.com TRUE / FALSE 1194580864 nonsession BAQAAAQ7E3Sq+AAaAAMsAAUVSrwg1APIAAUVS0fAxAMoAIE64qYBjYWRmMjI4NzEwZTBhMDg3NDdiNWQ0YTVmZmYxMDI4MxyI0+Z3K1Bs2m8BJ+XjONhzdGod .ebay.com TRUE / FALSE 1194580864 cid chKmqnPE As we see.... it's not even close to the Arachne format :((( | ||||||||||||||||||
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178) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 9:15:06 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> yes...but....thank you, thank you....I hadn't really investigated that lynx.cfg file, other than what I had to do to set it up for my current Arachne install.... ... But...you've done what I asked.....found the Lynx cookiefile....<g g g> ... Thanks, again... ... Now, at least I/we have something to work on/with......maybe I can do something like a semi-auto reformatting, then COPY >> cookies.lst and have it appended to the existing Arachne COODIES.LST.....in a format that Arachne can use, and......voila..!!!.....that might possibly allow an HTTPS eBay login, then switch-to/surf-with Arachne ... Again....thanks for digging that out... | ||||||||||||||||||
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179) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 9:22:08 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| glennmcc> Ha !!! It works to keep me logged-in. I logged-in and chose to stay logged-in unless I logout. I quit Lynx and restarted ... went right back to my.ebay.com and was still logged-in. | ||||||||||||||||||
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180) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 9:52:30 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| ray> Gotta hand it to you guys. Hey Gregy, no comments on the election? Me, I'm glad to see the Reps stranglehold broken, but glad that the Dems don't have one neither. As to your new senator, he looks like a pretty solid sort of guy to me, not the sort who would try to stop kids from playing tag. | ||||||||||||||||||
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181) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 10:38:35 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> Glenn....that's with Lynx, ...???...login, exitLynx, re-fire-it-up, and still logged in....did I understand...?? ... | ||||||||||||||||||
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182) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 10:42:22 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> Ray...he's a shithead....all you have to know is that he's an "organic" farmer.... ... And..we KNOW his libby tax-and-spend record from our state legislature ...so...we elected him with our eyes wide opened... ... Actually, shithead or not...he's a known liberal-sockpuppet...so..when he gets to washington, it'll be the same game for him....sucking up and bowing and scraping... ... Oh, and, BTW...you WILL note that I refrained from pumping any political election stuff onto here....just to try to keep the atmosphere somewhat comfortable....but...I'm answering your question....so...you asked for it... | ||||||||||||||||||
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183) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 10:53:30 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> "..solid sort of guy to me, not the sort who would try to stop kids.." ... pure piece of proggy-lib shit.... ... Oh, BTW2....in case you're gloating about the "stranglehold being broken"....if you look at most of the races....they were REAL tight... few hundreds of votes...or couple thousand... ... In Montana, that shithead won by only about 2657 votes, or thereabouts ....approx 800 votes too wide a margin for a recount....but, still real close.. ... But...what happened, down here, Ray...wasn't the demoncraps winning... it was our Repub leadership, all through that national level...flaked us off and so we fired them....!!!! ... Sure, this gives the demoncraps control, sort of, and now we gotta contend with that Pres who's hellbound to "amnesty" 15-20 million illegals already in country, plus encourage even more illegals...and he NOW has his allies (the incoming demoncraps) to hep him out...but ...hey...as I said...we fired them, and he'll be gone in two years, and by that time, these national demoncraps will have blown their credibility (it'll only take about 4-6 months) and do their damage, and bring the crap down on the rest of us...and, HEY..!!!...we're tough...<g g g>....after all, we are the salt-of-the-earth, who prop up all the civilizations that have ever been, and we'll survive these crapholas and come back in two years and slaughter them... ...it won't be hard, since they'll have managed to destroy their credibility by then.....and...as I said previously.....the jihadzi crazies will get THEM first, before they manage to come inland to our country....and WE won't hesitate to "profile" their dead arses... | ||||||||||||||||||
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184) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 10:59:07 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> so...FUCK all the proggy-libs...and their jihadzi-buddies (who'll OFF them first, in any event)....and I/we will be grinning REAL wide when the jihadzis come inland to see-what-they-can-see.... ...we'll let 'em see....and there won't be any aaakloo to naysay, by that time...<g g g> ... So, nuff political stuff said....I know you don't want to be pounded and pillioried, so I've refrained and this will be it... ... Don't mention it here again... | ||||||||||||||||||
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185) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 11:18:44 pm URL | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> Just to finish this political bullshit off...here's one conservative who won big, in a supposedly heavy-dem state http://www.startribune.com/587/story/798049.html Oh, and just in case you believe all the MLSM bullshit propaganda about this being a "referendum on Bushes war, etc, bullshit and baloney"... ... Take a REAL look at Joe Lieberman's win....then look at all the rest of the "wins".... ...for a political FACT, you foreigners may not be aware of, it is also ALWAYs known for the Admin to lose seats in ALL 6th-year elections... ... This year wasn't even really very many, compared to other 6th-years ... Oh, and BTW....our VERY solidly conservative Repub Congressman, Denny Rehberg, won big.... ...so... ...this wasn't any "referendum"....just our usual intermittant cleanup of fatcat elites, who've begun to plug their ears and think they can stop doing what we tell them to. ... ForWhatIt'sWorth.....President Bush, is WAYYY to liberal to have survived for two terms, if it hadn't have been for 9/11....and...all the jihadzis should be very thankful that he was the pres..when they stepped in shit and finally, really, attacked our home territory... ... He's mild, compared to some others who might have been pres...and, (this will surprise ya)....the worst one they could have had to deal with would have been a libby squish-baby....they tend to panic, and blow things way out of proportion.....so, Bushes responses were very measured and deliberate, and restrained.. ... | ||||||||||||||||||
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186) Wed, Nov 08, 2006 - 11:19:35 pm | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> And...that's the REAL end of all that political baloney...!!!!!! | ||||||||||||||||||
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187) Thu, Nov 09, 2006 - 12:11:38 am URL | ||||||||||||||||||
| gregy> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/11/09/do0902.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/11/09/ixopinion.html
188) Thu, Nov 09, 2006 - 12:33:26 am | URL gregy> | http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009216
189) Thu, Nov 09, 2006 - 2:18:19 am | Jake> | #185 By "really attacked" d'you mean an act of war? It was quite a puny series of events compared to what civillians have suffered in real wars, previously. Nevertheless, it was the thus-far supreme act of terrorism, and no doubt the more than 20:1 civillian losses in those places nice people wouldn't choose to visit helps stoke the fires of further misery. ======= Are you demonizing _all_ organic farmers? | ||||||||||||||
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